Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:52 pm Post subject: Tamil
You can do it!
How fast u go depends on you. It would be better if you could get a Tamil Primer and learn the letters of ther alphabet and get used to seeing the letters. You will soon recognise familiar names like TMS, Illayaraja, Rajinikanth, etc, and your mind will always read those words ten times quicker, everytime.
There are even CD Roms that teach you basic Tamil.
If we all use at least ONE Tamil sentence in each post, we will re-inforce our learning, and by reading and responding with a bit of Tamil in other posts, we re-inforce ALL our learning and mutually improve each other without knowing it.
If we do this on a daily basis, we will actually see a difference in less than 3 months time!
Also to improve our vocab and understanding, pne should watch Deala Nodeala and the movie review programmes on SunTV.
Try to repeat the words in your mind when you watch, otherwise you will not remember the words. Say it exactly as they say it, whther correct, or shortened. Eventaully, you will get it!
Anaiththu THOzharukkum vaNAkkam,
THOzhar: Perry ezhudhiyadhu matRRUm kOri-yadhu ( Comrade: Perry wrote and requested ( Literary / advanced thamizh )
Perry wrote: Mikka nanri, thozhar Rajan! Ungalodu min-anjal rombo thankse! Naan athaigal use-pannevendum.
Sila easy-aana sentences kudenga! Naam ellorum practice try-panne.
The above sentences are in colloquial / spoken transliteration thamizh , flexible and easy, but individualistic; I am going to try and change the thamizh words to English and vice versa just for starters and follow with small exercise on work related routine.
Perry ezhudhiyadhu: Thank you very much comrade Rajan! Very much thankful Your (respectful )
e-mail! I have to put them to puzhakkam ( use ).
Give ( respectful ) Some sulu’aana ( easy + happens to be ) vari’gaL! we aall to do thodar muyatRchi .
naan adhi-kaalai anjE-mukkaal maNIkku endhri’ppEn
I early morning 5-45 time getting up
Note: - note time fraction expression in thamizh is expressed as is 5-3/4 and not as ¼ to 6
naan aaRArai maNIkku sitRUNdi mudipPEn
I 6-30 time break-fast finishing
Ezharai maNI bus/undhi/vaNdi pidipPEn VElaikku POga
7-30 time bus catching work to-go
Ettu manikku sariyaa kai-oppam POdaNUm
8-00 time exact sign do ( varugai-padhivu = attendance )
paththE-kaal maNIkku THEi-neer NEram
10-15 time tea time
oru maNIkku pagal saappaadu
1-oo time afternoon food
reNdu mani’irndhu naalu,arai maNI’mattum VElai
2-00 time-from 4-30 time-till work
VElai mudichchi naaLE mukkaal vaNdi pudi’chchaa anJE-kaal maNIkku veetla vandhu uzhundhu’duVEn
Work finish 4-45 bus/vaNdi can’catch 5-15 time home come I-fall ( fig ) _________________ eLImai thamizhan
meeNdum vaNAkkam to thiru,
I am indeed glad to know your full name is THIRUMOORTHY WITH SURNAME : REDDY.
Your name is formed of two parts ‘thiru’ & ‘moorthy’ put together as one word as practiced in thamizh.
First part ‘thiru’ denotes reverence as well as respect.
Second part ‘moorthy’ denotes a godly being that deserves to be venerated or a superior being known as ‘dheivam’ believed to be responsible for the control of known galaxy and beyond such as ‘brahmam, vaiNAvam (VishNU) and sivam’
( mum-moorthy-gaL ) as well as other dheivam and avadhaara pirappugaL ( incarnate) such as Krishnan ,murugan, vinayagan etc:. We know their statue representation in human form in temples are known as ‘moorthy’gaL. Religiously speaking, among the above ‘dheiva/m/ngal vishNu ( maal AKA the reputed ‘thirupathi VEngidachalabathy , GOvindhan or sayi) is more commonly known by the name ‘moorthy’.
From the above significance has come your good name as well as sangeedha kuil m s subbulakshmi’s rendering of the song penned by raajagobalachari;-
KuRAi ondRUm illai malai moorthy kaNNAA
KuRAi ondRUm illai govindhaa
Thiru , please reply to me if you are satisfied with the explanation to the meaning of your religiously significant name and we will deal with your surname later.
Although I may not have agreed with some of the posts made earlier, they do seem to make sense now. We have to first get our priorities right, then concentrate of what our objectives are. If we feel we are forced to do something, we will not achieve anything and will not pay attention to good, free advice given with love and concern. Especially the patience experienced from the moderator is greatly appreciated. I do not think that other people are as fortunate. Let us make use of this opportunity. At least I know I will. I am at fault like so many others, but I recognise it and will try to do something constructive to learn the Tamil language and to talk Tamil.
I WILL take a leaf out of Thiru's book : practice writing a phrase or sentence while at work, and memorising it. I will take Devan's advice to watch 4 movies a month. OK - maybe that is too much , but I will make sure that I try, and at least watch 2 new movies a month. RMRajen corrects the posts, so I will ask him to correct mine as well. I will try to use the sentences given by Devan and Perry, and start postings in Tamil immediately instead of waiting to "feel comfortable" to do so..
I will also read a paragraph of Tamil per day. All I need to do now is to make a schedule. If I use the same sentences Perry, Thiru and RMRajan are using, I will have a pretty vocabulary to start off with. Anyone care to join me?
(Will appreciate the company).
to vasanthie
I enjoy my tamil lessons most of my learning is done at work i memorise a couplet from the kural and I try to write in tamil and i love marking my own work by testing myself also when i am driving I also try to utter the
couplets now i am writing sentences to write an essay
How are rthe lessons going?
Since there have been only a few lessons, all should have mastered that by now.
Any problems? It would be nice if ALL could attempt using at least some Tamil regularly!
Practice makes perfect. Repetition is important, and gradually it will become second nature.
Learning Tamil is not hard if you look out for common phrases, prefixes and suffixes. It is easier when you watch adverts, where you will learn single words and phrases. Serials are ideal to learn conversational Tamil. Just tape it and play it over and over.
In grammar, there are 8 cases. A case is the relationship between a noun and a verb. You will know a case by the suffix used. Eg. Instrumental case - suffix is "aal" eg avanaal.
Locative case has suffix "ill". Eg petti-ill ullathu. (In the box)
See Deala No deala for the words mentioned.
Take a noun and add the "il" sound. To indicate that that noun is in something. Eg sun rises in the east.
The milk is in the cup. Locative tells you where the milk is : in the cup.
I feel that using the tv, one can learn a lot of Tamil, but speaking it requires a lot of practise, and you have to say the sentences out aloud.
So Sun-TV is a blessing in disguise! Take advantage of this ! If you have Suntv and cannot count in Tamil from 1 to 25, then you have yourself to blame. Even other numbers are called out - like zero, hundred, 500, thousand, etc. Bit difficult numbers like 19999 also are mentioned. You need to record these programs!
It gives me immense pleasure to help you with 'thamizh' lessons. This is the first request and am putting something together to post ASAP.
As an instant help I'm transliterating, as well as, translating into thamizh script the very same sentence you have posted above as you should realize I do not know what thamizh font conversion tools you have access to. Please let us be in touch to build this invaluable learner / teacher relationship.
va-NA-k-ka-m THO-zha-r: va-sa-ndh-thi
வ-ண-க்-க-ம் தோ-ழ-ர்: வ-ச - ந் - தி
RMRajan - please put on some Tamil lessons for us - some very simple sentences like the ones Devan has.
R M Rajan, dhayavaai, engaLU'kkaaga sila thamizh paadangaL valai mElE
R M Rajan please, for our benefit some " lessons forum on
POdavum. Devan seidhadhu POla sila miga eLIya vaakiya'ngaL .put. " did-do like some very simple sentences.
Please reply, to clarify on doubts. I will contact you by PM to sort out technicalities of system to follow and communication such as my e-mail etc: in this relevance.
I Naan. He Avan. She Aval
You Nee. It Athu. A Oru.
Come Vaa. Came Vanthuttan(male)/vanthutta(female)
Will come. Vanthiruvan(male)/vanthiruva(female)
Open Thera. Opened Theranthiruke
Will open. Therakum. Sit Ukkarru
Walk Nadae. Eat Saapidu. Drink Kudi
Win Jayie. Go Poa. Run Odu
I go Naan porean. He goes Avan poraan
He eats an apple Avan apple saapiduvaan
He is eating an apple Avan apple saapiduraan
He ate an apple Avan apple saapittaan
I saw the film last week Naan poana vaaram padam paarthean
She came by bus yesterday Aval nethu pearundhu valiya vandha
They went to the temple Avankellam kovilluku poannaanga
He slept the whole night Avan mulu rathiriyum thoonkinaan
He wrote well in the examination Avan paritchayila nalla eluthi irukkaan
He has eaten Avan saapittu mudichutaan He had eaten Avan saapittaan
He had gone Avan poittaan He had come Avan vanthutaan
He will eat Avan saapiduvaan He will go Avan povaan He will come Avan varuvaan
What is your name? Unga peru enna?
What Enna Your Wun, unga(respect) Name paer What did you do? Nee enna panra, neenga enna panreenga (respect)
What should I do? Naan enna seyyanum? What are the questions? Enna kelvigal?
What were the questions? Enna kelvigal irunthithu?
What is the last question? Kadaisi kelvi enna? What is written in the letter? Khadithathil enna ezhuthi iruku? What you had been told? Unaku enna solli irunthathu? What will be the answer? Badil enna va irukum? Why did you come? Yean vantha ? Why did you sleep? En thoonguray? Why did you tell him to go? Yaen avana poga sonna? Why did he bring the bag? Avan yean pai kondu vanthan?
Why did she pay the money? Aval yaen kaasu koduthal?
Why did they sit there? Avunga yaen inga utkaanthirukaanga? Why do you drive the car? Yaen car ottina?
Why are they late for the meeting? Yean avunga meeting ku thamadama vanthaanga?
How did you come? Nee eppadi vanthe? How did you sleep? Nee epadi thoongina?
How did you drive? Nee epadi oattina?
How did you write? Nee epadi ezhuthina?
How many apples are there in my hand? Ethana apple enn kaieilla irukku?
How many did you take? Ethana nee edutha?
How much did he pay you? Evalavu panam kodutha? How much distance to go? Evalavu thooram poakanum? How was the journey yesterday? Nethu payanam epadi irrunthathu? Which way did you come? Entha valiya vanthe? Which is your favorite color? Virupamana niram enna? In which room did you sleep? Entha arailla thoongina? Which story did you tell? Entha kathaya sonna? Which is the sweetest fruit? Unnaku rumba inipaana palam ethu? Which is the best newspaper in Hindi? Entha siethithaal nalla irukkum? Which Indian state has the largest population? Entha indhiya naattu maanilathula romba janathogai irruku? Where did you come from? Enga irunthu vandha?
Where did you sleep? Enga thoonguna? Where is the manager’s cabin? Seyalaalar arai enga? Where should I go? Naan enga poganum? Whom should I contact? Yeara santhikanum? Is it a book? Ithu puthakama? It is a book Ithu puthakam? Is it the answer? Ithuthaan badhila? It is the answer Ithuthaan badhil? Will you come with me? Enkoda varuviya? I shall come with you. Naan wunkoda varuven. Will you give me your pen? Peanava kodupeengala? Yes, of course. Aama, pinna. I love you. Naan Unnai Kadalikiren. Can you give me your pen? Peanava kudukka mudiyuma? Can you lift the box? Pettiya thookka mudiyumma? Can you write the exam? Paritchai elutha mudiyumma? Did you have your lunch? Madhiyaanam saappadu saapittiya?
Naan enna seyyanum?
Simple sentences like these are great! Can RM give us more simple sentences that we could practice with each other on a regular basis?
We all need sentences like:
"What do you think of this?"
"When is the next Kamal movie being shown?"
"I enjoyed the movie, but the songs were terrible!"
"Did you see Enthiran?"
I am going on holiday so I will not be making a posting for the next two or three weeks"
Etc.
Which: enna. Film: padam. Will you see: paarpaai. Sunday: Nyaattru-kizhamai
Translation: Nee nyaattru-kizhamai enna padam paarpaai?
Which is the right way?
Ethu sariyana vazhi?
Ethu: which. Sariyana -right. Vazhi : way
Task: What would you say for:
"My favourite actor is SURYA."
"My favourite actress is Trisha" ?
The answer is found in Devan's earlier lesson.
Task 2:
What is the Tamil word for "Once More", the title of a movie starring Sivaji Ganesan and Vijay.
Clue: It has 4 letters!
What word is used to describe "for the first time", "first of all", "for the very first time"
Answer: When a new movie is being released, Sun pictures states those very Tamil words!
Tamil letter "pa" is used for the "pa" as well as the "ba" sound.
If you see the "pa" in a word, and that letter is preceded by a "ma", then the "pa" sound will change to a "ba" sound.
Examples of the "ba" sound:
Ambu
Paambu
Aambil
Thambi
Kodambakkam
Nungaambakkam
Kumbi
Pombale
Kumboo
Notice the m is in front of the p.
Here are words with the "pa" sound:
Palli
Puli
Pattinam
Pillai
Poo
Pookkal
Poonga
Pooparika
Annuppam
Papaali
பிகு: Now we know where ‘thamizh Aunt’ies’ get their ‘nice it is’ & ‘nice it will be’ when tuning in ‘tham’glish. Thamizh is still inherent in their genetic make-up _________________ eLImai thamizhan
Reminds me of the Peru and Bala show. Thanks RM!
Perry did explain why you used a mix of Capital and lower case letters, and now I do
Understand that the capital L will mean you are using the cerebral "l", same goes for the "n".
I am sure that I was not the only one who was confused reading your posts. I think perhaps you could explain this
To others.
I do not know how many sentences I can commit to memory, but I will definitely use them in my posts. However, I need company, and Vithashni is not yet on board. Neither is Yethiraj.
Perry said that Thiru and Mike are keen to start the "lessons" and use them in the current posts. It is definitely a good idea!
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